Go See “October 8th” @ Davis Varsity playing through Thursday

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11 responses to “Go See “October 8th” @ Davis Varsity playing through Thursday”

1. Mar 31, 2025 1:18 PM

   Donna Lemongello

   The whole thing just requires basic decency. Both sides are wrong, so where do we go from here. Both sides have treated the other horrifically, yet there are many who just want it to stop, and realize that all it does is produces hate or at least a reason to hate. From there the cycle continues.

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2. Mar 31, 2025 3:12 PM

   Ron O

   “I had only come into contact with real antisemitic hatred a few times, but it’s really ugly when it happens directly, and astounding. And it has been ramping up, and most white people don’t get it. I said that on purpose to get a rise; most non-Jews don’t get it.”
   Most people (including but not limited to “whites”) don’t see any visible difference between whites and Jews. As such, I’m not sure how “anyone knows” of that dark, shameful secret – which is apparently even worse than being white.
   (Other than actual white supremacists, which occupy the bottom of the totem pole, so to speak. Apparently, they have some kind of unique “Jew-detector” that most people don’t have. And frankly, I hope that “Jews DO replace them”.
   Unless you actually live in Israel, in which case it’s assumed. Or you wear one of those stars around your neck, or a yarmaluke on your head. (Actually, I’m not sure that some even know what those symbols refer to.)
   (Yes, that’s a joke, and probably a distasteful one at that.)

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3. Mar 31, 2025 5:47 PM

   Alan C. Miller

   “Most people (including but not limited to “whites”) don’t see any visible difference between whites and Jews.”
   That’s kind of a ridiculous comment, since 14% of US Jews and 51% of Israeli Jews consider themselves ‘people of color’, if not in those words. I realize most people in the US probably do consider Jews ‘white’. I’ve gone by the fact I never felt like a “WASP” which was ‘pure whiteness’ to me, and the “White Supremacists” in the media and on the radio when I was growing up wanted to kill two groups primarily: black people and Jewish people. So it was rather off to think of myself as ‘white’.
   “As such, I’m not sure how “anyone knows” of that dark, shameful secret – which is apparently even worse than being white.”
   Not quite sure what dark, shameful secret you are referring to. I think you’re making a joke but it flew by me.
   “Other than actual white supremacists, which occupy the bottom of the totem pole, so to speak. Apparently, they have some kind of unique “Jew-detector” that most people don’t have. And frankly, I hope that “Jews DO replace them”.”
   I do hope they fade away, I imagine most people do. I can tell you from personal experience they don’t always have great ‘Jewdar’.
   “Unless you actually live in Israel, in which case it’s assumed.”
   What’s assumed? Being Jewish? Hardly. 20% of Israel is Arab, and there are Christians and several other religious/heritage sects as well. Majority, yes, but not assumed.

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4. Mar 31, 2025 6:48 PM

   Ron

   “I’ve gone by the fact I never felt like a “WASP” which was ‘pure whiteness’ to me,”
   Pure whiteness. Looking at the H-man (Hitler), he never seemed “purely white” to me. Not sure how he got away with that.
   And when I was younger, I’m pretty sure that I was “whiter” (lighter-colored hair, for sure). Then it turned brown, then grey (what was left of it).
   And among my own siblings, some of us are slightly “whiter” than others. (Pretty sure we had the same parents, but DNA testing wasn’t required.)
   But there actually is a more-serious point to my comment. That is, very few actually care how you identify. They’ll notice what appears to be your heritage, and that’s about the extent of it. And as you noted, most people don’t go around trying to figure out who is Jewish, vs. who is white. They’re more likely to notice if you’re Asian, black, or Hispanic vs. “white”.
   It seems like the “definition” of whiteness periodically changes, as well. I’m guessing that Italians weren’t always considered “white”, but are now.
   But if you go around making a big deal out of (fill-in-the-blank), you’ve suddenly got an issue on your hands. At least in regard to your own self-perception. At least in America, for the most part.
   You can, for example, avoid participating in semi-violent nonsensical demonstrations on campus (regardless of your skin color/heritage), and probably save yourself a lot of grief at the hands of strangers.
   Seems like self-identification with one’s heritage is more-important for some people, than it is for others. Of course, some would say that it’s less-important for those who aren’t part of the “dominant” race in a given situation.
   There certainly are situations where it’s a disadvantage to be “white” OR Jewish, and I’ve seen first-hand examples where they’re not differentiated. And in my experience/observation, that’s a lot more common than Jew-hunters on the loose in this country.
   Good point regarding Israel, though. But if you “look kind of white” (and are from Israel, or currently live there), I’m going to take a guess that you’re probably Jewish.

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5. Mar 31, 2025 6:52 PM

   Ron O

   Correction: “More” important for people who aren’t part of the dominant race (in a given situation) to identify as different. Or so I’ve been told.
   For sure, don’t claim to be proud to be white. You might get away with that in regard to being proud to be Jewish (and anything other than white), but I still don’t know what that accomplishes.

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6. Mar 31, 2025 7:28 PM

   Alan C. Miller

   RO, the issue is that as Jews, you know it wasn’t that long ago 2/3 of European Jews were slaughtered. As DG has pointed out on other issues, it doesn’t take that long for a society to go toxic and turn to sht. I recall one Holocaust survivor from Hungary (I believe) saying he played with non-Jewish kids all the time in the 30’s, and then the parents started keeping their kids away from the Jewish kids as the society went toxic, and one day he went to the park and right below the eternal “No Dogs” sign was a new “No Jews” sign.
   I’ve heard the “there aren’t people out hunting Jews in the US” argument before, and frankly it’s offensive as hll. Do you not recall our Davis Imam in 2018 calling for the death of all Jews worldwide, every single one? (note: it was a Muslim peace activist who told me this was literal, not metaphoric). By the way, Imam still there. Also, having 1200 Jews killed in Israel in 2023, along with the dark antisemitic turning of much of the country post October 7th (which is what the movie is supposed to be about) doesn’t inspire confidence in safety.
   While I could probably hide my Jewish heritage with my non-Jewish name and not be targeted anywhere, I don’t think any people, anywhere should ever have to hide their religion and/or heritage. And yet, the true Jew haters don’t care, and should society ever truly turn to S, the haters aren’t even going to care if you’re an anti-Zionist Jew, when/if they come for the Jews again.
   So I reject your notion. Haters gonna hate, and ‘not making a big deal’ about one’s identity shouldn’t be, and isn’t, a strategy anyone should have to take.

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7. Mar 31, 2025 8:18 PM

   Ron O

   I didn’t said anything about “hiding” one’s heritage. I did say that some people think it’s more-important than others. And you can certainly focus on that, if it gives you some satisfaction/purpose. But you’re not going to get killed for it. There’s too many Jewish people, and they’re too integrated into American society for that to happen. And Donald Trump seems to be on their side (when he isn’t on the white supremacist side, I guess).
   There were, and are people who attack white people, as well. I can name a number of cities within the state where it isn’t safe to be white (or Jewish, Asian, or Hispanic). Or, I should say “less-safe” than it is to be black.
   As far as the local Iman, it seems to me that same line of thought is similar to what led to the attack on the World Trade Center. The Taliban, ISIS, etc. The latter don’t like white (or any) Americans, either. Those people make a connection between America’s support for Israel, and America itself.
   That local Inman would be in prison faster than your head could spin, if he actually engaged in a related crime. I wouldn’t be surprised if his comments did generate some concern/observation within some law enforcement agencies.
   In any case, I haven’t heard of very many actual attacks (in the news), targeting Jewish people (individually) in America. (Once in a while, some lunatic attacks a synagogue.) In contrast (as an example), it seems to me that attacks on Asians in the Bay Area was occurring quite often, recently.
   This goes to the point you yourself made: It’s not what YOU identify as, it’s how OTHERS see you (in regard to race-based attacks). How you identify is totally irrelevant, in regard to that. Outside of obvious identifiers (attending a synagogue, wearing the “funny hat”, or participating in nonsensical demonstrations on campus), Jewish people are generally seen as white.
   I guess if your last name ends in “. . . stein”, someone might notice it at least.
   I was just watching a video the other day regarding a “white” American reporter who was attacked by children in what was essentially a Palestinian concentration camp. They hate all Americans, because they know that America supports Israel. There’s still an American hostage in Gaza right now – don’t know if he’s Jewish (but probably).
   I see no evidence whatsoever that Jewish people are under attack in America, in mass (especially “individually”). Again, goes to how others “see” them, not how they themselves identify.
   For that matter, I suspect that most people view Judaism as a religion, not an identity. Sammy Davis Jr. converted to Judaism (and I originally thought that made him a “Jew” himself).
   What I’m saying is that you apparently think all of this (self-identification) is more-important than I do. To each his own.
   As a side note, I’m starting to wonder if Charles Manson was right. That is, a handful of (white?) people will hide underground in the desert, and emerge after the race wars are over to lead the survivors.
   Already, we’re seeing some evidence that as the white population becomes a minority (less than 50% of the population), other groups won’t have “Nixon to kick around, anymore” so to speak. We’re already seeing Indian tribes fight each other over gambling monopolies, etc. And blacks and Asian interest groups in conflict in places like Lowell High school in San Francisco.
   Go to any prison, and see how all of these groups get along with each other. (With the exception of Asians – since there are almost none in prison.)
   As a “representative of white people everywhere”, I didn’t even know that Bernie Sanders was Jewish, until someone on here pointed it out to me. In other words, I don’t care. (I can’t imagine that I’m alone in not really noticing “who” is Jewish, vs. “who” is not.)

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8. Mar 31, 2025 9:50 PM

   Alan C. Miller

   RO say: “I didn’t said anything about “hiding” one’s heritage.”
   You said ‘make a big deal about it’. That’s a bit offensive, in that a lot of ‘groups’ don’t have choice to do that do to how others perceive their skin tone and features, so they can’t help but ‘wear it on their skin’.
   “But you’re not going to get killed for it.”
   Probably not, but that isn’t the point and I’ve already explained why.
   “There were, and are people who attack white people, as well.”
   True
   “That local Inman would be in prison faster than your head could spin, if he actually engaged in a related crime.”
   Not always easy to prove cause and affect in a conspiracy. But again not the point, already explained.
   “I wouldn’t be surprised if his comments did generate some concern/observation within some law enforcement agencies.”
   The FBI specifically.
   “In any case, I haven’t heard of very many actual attacks (in the news), targeting Jewish people (individually) in America.”
   God, RO, you are insufferable at times. I explained and answered this, but you refuse to acknowledge, you just keep stating the same thing. I’m beginning to understand why DG gets his arse run down by you.
   “Once in a while, some lunatic attacks a synagogue.”
   Yeah, once in awhile. No big deal 😐
   “In contrast (as an example), it seems to me that attacks on Asians in the Bay Area was occurring quite often, recently.”
   Also hate and also immoral.
   “This goes to the point you yourself made: It’s not what YOU identify as, it’s how OTHERS see you (in regard to race-based attacks). How you identify is totally irrelevant, in regard to that. Outside of obvious identifiers (attending a synagogue, wearing the “funny hat”, or participating in nonsensical demonstrations on campus), Jewish people are generally seen as white.”
   OK, now you are just plain f*cking up. For the rest of you, read above comments by me, asked and answered.
   “”I see no evidence whatsoever that Jewish people are under attack in America, in mass (especially “individually”). Again, goes to how others “see” them, not how they themselves identify.”
   I already said I found that offensive, and now you are just doubling down.
   “For that matter, I suspect that most people view Judaism as a religion, not an identity. Sammy Davis Jr. converted to Judaism (and I originally thought that made him a “Jew” himself).”
   Your ignorance is showing like an open abscess.
   “What I’m saying is that you apparently think all of this (self-identification) is more-important than I do. To each his own.”
   I explained why I disagree. No need to keep writing longer and longer comments that say nothing new.
   “As a side note, I’m starting to wonder if Charles Manson was right.”
   I am friends with a former member of the Manson Family and also knew a key person who helped Bugliosi prosecute Manson for conspiracy to murder, behind the scenes. I assure you Manson was not right. Unless you think killing people is just moral relativism.
   “That is, a handful of (white?) people will hide underground in the desert, and emerge after the race wars are over to lead the survivors.”
   Sure, OK, Manson was right 😐
   “I didn’t even know that Bernie Sanders was Jewish”
   Great to know what you don’t know.
   “In other words, I don’t care.”
   I don’t care that you don’t care, and I imagine most of the two other people who have read this far don’t care either.
   ***** Did I mention to go see “October 8th” at the Varsity?

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9. Mar 31, 2025 10:29 PM

   Ron O

   “God, RO, you are insufferable at times. I explained and answered this, but you refuse to acknowledge, you just keep stating the same thing. I’m beginning to understand why DG gets his arse run down by you.
   Right – I saw the comment regarding WWII (and was already familiar with that). I’m not exactly a Holocaust denier, and have heard of the little guy with the Oliver Hardy mustache. Don’t know anything about the 1,200 killed in ISRAEL (which seems to be in constant state of war), or how many Palestinians were killed.
   I was talking about what occurs in AMERICA today. And again, have seen no evidence that Jewish people are under any serious threat here. (Especially as individuals.)
   “Your ignorance is showing like an open abscess.”
   Spoken like someone who thinks all of this is important. Did I mention already that I don’t think it is important (self-identification)?
   “I already said I found that offensive, and now you are just doubling down.”
   The fact that you find it offensive doesn’t prove any particular point. There are people who routinely find YOUR comments offensive. (I’m not one of them, however.)
   The fact that you find it offensive also tells me that your self-identification is important to you. It’s not to me, nor is my own. I view both of us as individuals. That’s how I view everyone – not as a “representative” of anything. I do notice skin color, gender, and age visually, at first. After which I don’t notice it as much.
   I’m reasonably-certain that there are some Jewish people (and members of every other race) who have views closer to mine, than yours regarding the importance of all of this.
   “You said ‘make a big deal about it”
   I said something similar to that, in regard to not seeking problems for yourself that aren’t necessarily “your” personal battle. But true – I don’t think identity politics is helping anything. As such, I don’t think it helps when Jewish students start clashing with Palestinian students (and their supporters) on campuses, for example. Or vice-versa. These are people who are seeking “confirmation” and like-minded “community” for what they already believe, and are not interested in learning anything. They are seeking conflict. These are not people I want to be around.
   Honestly, if they were protesting against white people (or some predominantly-white country), I wouldn’t show up either. I’d be somewhat amused by them (feeling “superior to them” in a sense), while subsequently watching them on videos. “Infotainment” to me. Much like I view any protest that I’m able to stay-away from.
   Regarding the documentary, I’d watch it if it was on YouTube, probably. It is interesting regarding the reported sexual assaults, in that there doesn’t seem to be an objective, reliable report of that either way. (I looked online, when I first saw your article.) Maybe it’s “bad-enough” that they killed a bunch of people and took hostages regardless.
   But I think Israel should take over all of Gaza permanently. They’ve already demonstrated that they can’t govern their own territory. And if that means not allowing citizens of Gaza to enter Israel at will (at this point in time), so be it. But as it comes under better control, those people obviously need help. Israel seems to be in a much-better position than Gaza. (No comparison, really.)

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10. Mar 31, 2025 10:33 PM

    Ron O

    Correction – I DO know about the 1,200 Israelis that were killed in 2023. (Somehow, I thought that occurred in 2024. Time flies when you’re not having fun, I guess.)

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11. Apr 1, 2025 9:16 AM

    Alan C. Miller

    #fingers-in-ears# “LA! LA! LA! LA! LA!” #fingers-in-ears#
    Maybe I’ll pull them out another day and read whatever you said . . . but not today . . . dun carin’

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